Watching Foundation: “The Stress of Her Regard”

In case you don’t remember how this works, these are Joseph’s initial thoughts, reactions, and predictions from watching the episode. Spoilers follow for the show and the books past this point. Proceed at your own risk.

Simultaneously published at Comics, The Universe, and Everything.

Watching Foundation S3E04

Directed by Roxanne Dawson!  Here we go!

Aerial view of the area with the tree.

“Do you feel regret?” Followed by images of the Star Bridge.

“You sought out confession.  That seems to suggest a capacity for it.”

In retrospect, confession is a wonderful Asimovian device to quickly drive the plot through conversation.  This is as efficient as a “captain’s log“ on an episode of Star Trek.

Better because it’s a dialogue.   You don’t need a quiet voice of inner morality with a character of moral authority right there.

Jon caught this last time.  The very first time we see Demerzel in S1E01, she’s gazing up at the Star Bridge.

In the last two episodes, they’ve pinned the current episode to a previous one by repeating an exact shot.  Here we get a repeat of our initial glimpse of Demerzel.

“I have held the secret for more than three centuries.”  Chills because of the wonderful foreshadowing.  You know what’s happening, even if you don’t believe it yet.  It’s still like a slap in the face.

And then the cognitive realignment.  “For the Foundation.”  True to the prequels, Demerzel is working to help the Foundation, AND she’s working to help the Empire.  This is perfect.

And here we are, the essence of any Asimov robot story.  Conflicts in programming.  Initially, that was between the original three laws.  But Demerzel, working for the Empire in the books, was always about the Zeroth Law.  With the advent of the Foundation, the Zeroth Law stands in greater and greater conflict with her Cleonic programming.  THAT’s what prompted the need for confession.  Her worrying about what would happen after the Cleonic Dynasty collapses was the right distractor.

In a very human way, Demerzel shows herself here to be a rationalization machine.  How often have we used that phrase on the podcast?

I think back to the line “Not this one.” from the season premiere and laugh because, of course, we assumed that was about Demerzel being a robot.

“I am built to watch, and remember,” is gut-wrenching.

And the writing here actually improves with a deeper look.

“Something like regret, then?  But the casualties are not the source of the pain, are they?  The paradox is the thing that hurts.“  In Giskard, the conflict (paradox?) between the first and zeroth laws caused roblock.  That’s at play here, too, but mainly it’s the bigger conflict between new and old programming.

And Zephyr Vorellis hits the nail on the head.  Demerzel is capable of spiritual growth even if her current programming refuses to admit it.  It hits too close to home; as Demerzel removes her face, the “emotionless“ robot is angry.

Better living through technology.  Spiritual growth through software updates.  The Zen of Asenion Robots.

Are we looking at a parable for when our large language models become actual artificial intelligence?  Or is it bigger?  This might not be the realm of “Measure of a Man.”  There’s already a religion in Mycogen that worships robots. We could be encroaching on the territory of “The Last Question.”

I’m circling back to an Arthur C. Clarke quote that I probably first encountered in Report on Planet Three: “Perhaps our role on this planet is not to worship God — but to create Him.”  Followed by, “And then our work will be done. It will be time to play.”

It’s interesting to think about the bigger picture within the show.  In the Foundation books, we initially had a conflict between the Foundation and the coming chaos.  In the show, it’s more of a balancing act.  Humanity needs the Empire to survive long enough for the Foundation to get its act together.  Initially, the Zeroth Law and the Cleonic programming are in concert.  Eventually, they’ll be in conflict.  And there, Demerzel is, right in the middle.  Demerzel is the show.  And there she sits in a place evocative of the Garden of Eden, looking at us.

Nice transition.  Very 2001.

Ignus

As if we didn’t have any doubt already, Han Pritcher is a Second Foundationer.

Although Preem Palver’s little poem desperately needs a fourth line.

This is taking me out of the moment a little bit, but I don’t think ASL and English (Galactic Standard?) are similar enough to share a rhyming scheme.  And is PP a deaf-mute or merely mute?  This would suggest that he is hearing.  Han communicating in sign language suggests Preem is deaf.

Han and Gaal.  Well, that explains that line from the season opener.  “My loyalties lie elsewhere.”  If we’d noticed that he was touching a necklace identical to Gaal‘s, we’d have gotten much more information.

Or maybe that is Gaal’s necklace; she isn’t wearing it here.

Somebody needs to say, “My mind to your mind…”

And very quickly, we know how “The Mule” learns about Gaal and sets up the Search for the Second Foundation.

Preem is the smart one here. He deduces a lot of stuff about “the Mule.”  It mainly underlines the questions about “the Mule” and Magnifico, though.

“We are the unknown.  He can be made to fear us,” seems pretty far off the mark.

Gaal in water.  Shades of season one.  No counting primes though.

False bravado from Gaal.  If she isn’t scared, she should be.  But it does give us a quick glimpse of the scope of the Second Foundation’s influence.

Now we’re back to free will vs. predestination centered around Gaal’s vision of “the Mule.”  She cannot see anything in the future beyond this vision.  That must be the glitch in the Prime Radiant.

Now that reminds me of Dr. Manhattan in Watchmen.  That can’t be the origin of the trope, but it’s a pretty effective one.

But essentially, we should’ve known about the glitch for a century and a half.

Here we have an interesting critique of “violence is the last refuge of the incompetent.“  It makes sense and is so much better than “It’s an old man’s philosophy…”

Then, sexy time in the water.

New Terminus

Yay!  Ebling!  “Unprintable bastard” is pretty good and nice to see.

Ebling calls the Federation ambassador.  She’s pissed when she learns that Empire has a/the Prime Radiant.

Cherry Jones and Terrence Mann are both great here.

We’ve already had Dawn co-opted by the Second Foundation.  If Dusk collaborates with the First Foundation, does that enhance Dude’s position as a pivotal force?  Or possibly Demerzel if Brother Dude shuffles off to Mycogen.

The ED joke implies a level of intimacy between these two.  We’ve already got that, but still.

And from Ambassador Quent, we see the near-religious regard the Foundation clearly has for Hari Seldon.  That was especially strong in Foundation and Empire.

These two are actually sweet together.

Back to Ignus

Gaal and Han are reminiscing.  He’s mostly known her as a popsicle (rather than a pickle).  It seems somewhat interesting how their different views of the relationship are shaped by the context.  He’s known her for years, but she thinks the relationship has only lasted a matter of days.

On the other hand, it may be no more complicated than “absence makes the heart grow fonder.“

Now they are conflating mathematics and arithmetic.

“If you are awake, be awake.” That’s a little on the simplistic side.

Trantor

Evidently, the pet ferret following you around is documented behavior.

Dude wants to speak to the animatronic Cleon 1.  Shades of Disney World.

This thing seemed to have some agency in season two.  But regressing to the age-appropriate version of himself for Dude’s question is a nice trick.  It also means Lee Pace gets to talk to himself.  When does such become a monologue?

“You may have overstated the resemblance,” is funny.

C1 went down to Mycogen in search of some tools.  He slaughtered all of the Inheritors when they refused to give them up.  He wants 24 to kill every member of the “cult.”

Mycogen does feed the planet.  Agriculture is insufficient to feed 40 billion people.  It must be the yeast turned into who knows what?

It gets contentious, and Dude spits on (at?  Through?) C1.  If this is the same entity as season two, there will be repercussions.

That was way more Daylike than Dudelike.  He’s not so chill without the spores.

Demerzel’s Quarters

Demerzel looks disconcerting even before we realize her head has been separated from her body.  Apparently, she is giving herself an oil change.  It’s a minor point, but how does she see what she’s doing?

“The thing I had for a mother doesn’t have any idea what it is to feel a connection with someone.”  We all know that isn’t true.  Will we hear the story of Elijah and “Danny” as we did in Prelude?  Pretty sure that was in Dahl.

“I was meant to connect to others of my kind… robots shared one mind when we wanted.”

Dude is going to palm one of the tools.

“I’m compelled to keep you safe even if it causes you pain.”  Or kills 100,000,000 tourists on the space elevator.

Claviger Mavon’s apartment

Mavon returns home, and Dude is there. He is alternately intimidating and disarming.  Introducing Capillus, the ferret, to the daughter is the former, but the wife is very reasonably terrified.

Dude says he needs to leave for Mycogen immediately.

Mavon knows that’s dicey.  “Even we don’t go to Mycogen.  Not unless we’re in full force.”

There are many vehicles in this show.  Now, Dude and Mavon are on hoverbikes.

These claviger uniforms are what you would get if the civilization from the Star Trek episode “Bread and Circuses,“ where the Roman Empire never fell, had its own version of Tron.

Dawn’s Quarters

Dawn gets a message on his device, but we don’t get a good look at it.  He’s off to that same café with the mediocre tea.

Why is it raining indoors?  I know it’s faux outdoors, but what then is the purpose of a shell around the entire planet? 

Gaal is there in person.  “It must be really bad,” says Dawn.  There’s some political back and forth.  Gaal wants him to leave Trantor.  He is obviously reluctant; he’s about to be promoted to his grown-up job. That only took King Charles what? Three generations?

“You were followed, you have to trust me,” seems wildly suspicious, but off they go!  

Cut to Dude and Mavon continuing their trek.  

There are lots of dark, moody, film-noiresque shots both here and in the Dawn/Gaal situation.

Dude throwing away his personal aura seems dumb. I suppose it must be one of the many ways the Empire has him lo-jacked.  

When he starts removing his nanites, I think: is he going to keep his word?  I did not see that coming.  

There’s a nice moment between the two here.  A bit of small talk.  Mavon’s daughter can keep Capillus… etc.

But the word doesn’t get kept.  Dude shoots Mavon.  

Here’s the payoff to the scene in S3E02 where Dude seems to be cheating to lose.  He knows the clavigers’ tells.  He caught on to Mavon betraying him.  And of course, in true Bond-villain style, Dude gets to explain all this before the killshot.

Cut to a wide shot as Mavon dies; the Dude is now small.  But he does show an inkling of remorse, putting him at odds with all the other Brothers Day.  Not too much at odds.  Dude loads Mavon up with the nanites to create a false trail.  This was always the plan; there was nothing within Dude for Mavon to betray after all.  Dude’s remorse, however, lingers.  Does this make him better or worse than mere ruthlessness?

“No one can escape Empire.  Not even Empire… but I’m gonna see how far I can go.”

This ends with a big, expansive outdoor shot. Water, trees, and a skyline are visible in the distance.  I suppose it’s artistic license, but it just seems like the writers have forgotten how Trantor is constructed.  It’s their right, I suppose, but it’s taking me out of the story.

The Imperial Palace

Demerzel is staring at a section of the mural depicting her robotic nature.  If you want to keep a secret, don’t tell anyone there’s a secret.  And for crying out loud, don’t paint a damn picture.

She learns Brother Dude’s nanites have become inactive, and so she returns to her quarters to discover that one of her tools is missing.  This seems iffy because Demerzel must have put all the tools neatly back in their case.  She must have noticed then.

Cut again to Gaal and Dawn.

We’re back to a nice, moody, film-noir kind of shots.  They run through a tunnel that looks like a tunnel.  Presumably, one floor up is huge and looks like the outdoors. And one floor down is also huge and looks like the outdoors.

Gaal uses her powers, the two dive around a corner and then, “They can’t see us.  They’re going to forget they were ever in this tunnel.”

These Cleons are either arrogant or gullible.  Gaal is doing mind control tricks, and yet, Dawn isn’t suspicious.  

As they’re escaping, it looks like they use a gravitic lift from Prelude to Foundation.

“Well, we can get there a lot faster if we use a gravitic lift. Not many people use it and I must tell you that I’m not overjoyed at the idea myself, but if you think you can handle it, we had better.”

“What’s a gravitic lift?”

“It’s experimental. The time may come when it will be widespread over Trantor, provided it becomes psychologically acceptable—or can be made so to enough people. Then, maybe, it will spread to other worlds too. It’s an elevator shaft without an elevator cab, so to speak. We just step into empty space and drop slowly—or rise slowly—under the influence of antigravity. It’s about the only application of antigravity that’s been established so far, largely because it’s the simplest possible application.”

—Prelude to Foundation

Gaal gets the final word. What about her organization?  “We call ourselves the Second Foundation.”

Review:

This one is pretty much everything you should want in an episode. Fascinating reveals, significant developments, high stakes, and compelling storytelling. It falls just shy of being perfect. I’m on the edge of my seat waiting to find out what will become of the Demerzel/ robots/Mycogen arc. Best episode of the season so far!

Rating: 4.5 out of 5.

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Stars End S6E05

Join us as we talk about Foundation, S3E04, “The Stress of Her Regard.” It’s an episode so big, so intense, and so seismic that it’ll take FOUR of us to talk about it!

“The Stress of Her Podcast”

In 1893, Nikola Tesla invented an ⁠earthquake machine⁠! Legend has it that by 1898, the machine was so powerful that neighbors called the police, afraid that Tesla’s laboratory was about to shake itself apart!

If you want to wreak that much havoc in the Foundation Universe, you ask Roxann Dawson to direct an episode! Hoo doggy, is this one a humdinger!

We’re joined by Joel McKennon of the Seldon Crisis Podcast as we break down this earth-shattering, paradigm-shifting, and mind-blowing installment!

Don’t miss this one! The entire galaxy might be trying to shake itself apart!

Watching Foundation: “When A Book Finds You”

Episode 2 will be next, so I can hopefully get on track for publishing these before the next episode.

You remember how these work. These are Joseph’s reactions, reflections, and ruminations while watching the episode. Also some light summary. Beware. Here be spoilers.

Simultaneously published at Stars End: A Foundation Podcast.

Watching Foundation S3E03

Book! I assume we’re talking about Foundation and Empire here. We’ll see.

Trantor, 3 years ago

Do you ever notice that on TV shows, nobody knows the Dewey decimal system? They just ask the librarian to find things for them.  No, not Noah Wyle.

Absolutely love the look of the reserved section.

Is that thing about the gloves true?  It’s nice that Dawn shows a certain amount of skepticism here. (Edit: I bought some nitrile gloves for handling old comics and then never used them. I must have come across this fact at some point.)

“The Empire has three heads. Do they all have room for thoughts like this?“

I’m pretty sure that this librarian would’ve been vaporized had this been season one.  Is that part of the cognitive decline?

Returning a library book from practically beyond the grave is above and beyond the call of duty.  And the librarian just implied that she has a connection to a power outside of the Empire.  These guys really are getting lax!

The Dawns collectively are getting better at sneaking out of the palace. This guy basically put on a raincoat and minimal, patchy facial hair.  That’s not going to fool anyone. Clark Kent’s glasses were a better disguise.

I thought this Dawn was more deliberative, but here we are again: Dawn + pretty girl = trouble. Possibly treason.

“Mathematics is the language of angels.”   It’s prettier, but it’s still too close to math is magic.

“Is it treason if you’re the one making the rules?”  Of course it is!  This is just Nixon‘s “If the president does it, it isn’t a crime” in fancy dress.  And don’t get me started on today’s newspaper.

“… just men who started to think for themselves.”  There’s a bit more to it than that. But the Dawns have shown this interesting spark since the little kid in S1E02.

That was a perfectly timed bit of static.

“Now,” whatever that means in a show set millennia in the future.

I like that the little texting device seems like something Asimov would have imagined 80 years ago. In fact, he did imagine it 80 years ago. This is from Foundation.

“The tiny, gleaming sphere changed hands, and Gorm added, “It’s confidential. Super-secret. Can’t be trusted to the sub-ether and all that. Or so I gather. At least, it’s a Personal Capsule, and won’t open for anyone but you.”

Ponyets regarded the capsule distastefully, “I can see that. And I never knew one of these to hold good news, either.”

It opened in his hand and the thin, transparent tape unrolled stiffly. His eyes swept the message quickly, for when the last of the tape had emerged, the first was already brown and crinkled. In a minute and a half it had turned black and, molecule by molecule, fallen apart.”

My current theory on the message? “Personal 210: The Vault is awake. We call.”

We were stuck on “Vault” for a while because I was stuck on “Mule.”

Nice!  Great shades of Mission Impossible! It’s nice to know that somebody is reading the books.

Once again, we get a perfect recreation of a scene from the previous episode that pins Gaal’s timeline to everything else.

Gaal wants Dawn to call for an “enclosure“ on Kalgan.  He doesn’t want to do it, and he evidently can’t do it without council approval. No hint about that in season one or two.

Dawn doesn’t think controlling people’s minds is possible; Gaal doesn’t answer.  I wonder if she is influencing his mind. I wonder if the librarian was from the Second Foundation. I wonder whether a lot of people are Second Foundation.

Kalgan

At the party, Pritcher is very serious.

And we finally see Magnifico with the visi-sonar.  “The mule brings him everywhere he goes, even into battle.”

Pritcher sees the Mule. “Now, I just have to get close to him.“  I wonder why that is sufficient.  He’s certainly 2F.  In a psychic attack from the Mule, we hear “you are like me,” and “Who is Gaal Dornik?”  Han flees with a bloodshot eye.

If he is 2F, maybe he won’t spend the rest of the book as a puppet.

“The Mule” is kind of a dick to Magnifico.

“Roughing my flanks?”

Bayta and Toran decide to investigate “the Mule” themselves.  They’re more serious than when we first met them, but they are very overconfident.

Toran’s encounter with “The Mule” is ugly, and Toran runs away, licking his wounds.  It’s notable, though, that, although “The Mule” threatens to toy with T’s mind, he does not follow through (maybe).

Bayta approaches Magnifico with concern, but the condescending baby talk is annoying.  Does she sense that Torin is in trouble?

“That’s not information!” Is funny.

Their ship is definitely an homage to the Millennium Falcon, even though they aren’t topologically equivalent.  

More letters, consistent with the message tape.

“Things have a way of working out how they’re meant to.”  Seems an out-of-character reaction (unless?).

Trantor

Brother Dude is back at the Claviger Barracks.  He wants to escape the palace and get to Mycogen with both Song and her memory.  We learn the clavigers’ families are all held hostage.  Dude claims he will bring the first claviger’s family along and will reward him generously for his help.

Song presses Dude for information, especially why he refers to Demerzel as “it.”  He tells her Demerzel’s a robot.

Why isn’t that an “open” secret?  Hasn’t she been in the public eye for centuries?  I suppose the official story is that she was also being cloned.  I guess that could work.

Dawn is contacting “The Mule.”  Dawn = Cleon XXV by the way.  

He’s trying to bring Kalgan back into the Empire and offers “The Mule” protection and some other things.

“ You already failed to protect Kalgan.  I am the proof.”  It goes downhill from there.

Some Jump Gate Somewhere

“The Mule” and his men captured a jump gate.  They’re keeping it quiet.  But he says something interesting as he dispatches the final guard.  “Normally, I would let you enjoy it at least.  But someone took my balladeer from me.”  He called Gigantigo “it” multiple times.

Maybe this is the Mule, but he is not the one with the mind control powers.  Could Magnifico be Giskard?  “Do you ever feel like your life is not your own?”  “It’s sort of a transcendent feeling you have to kill your way out of.“

The Palace Garden

Dude and Song are planning their escape.  Song’s affect is wildly different.  She’s now introspective and judgmental about how Dude talks about Demerzel, and she wants to stay near Demerzel.  Dude replies with a verse of Pulp’s “Common People.” 

Demerzel arrives, and Song makes an odd gesture for Demerzel to see.  Could she have been a plant all along?

The Imperial Palace

Dawn is worried about “The Mule.”  “He took Kalgan in a day… yada, yada, yada.”  He is trying to create the enclosure that Gaal recommended.

Dude and Dusk want none of it, and Demerzel is more worried about the council than about “The Mule.”

“The middle thrown says, no.”  

The tone changes dramatically when the Cleons start to discuss Dawn‘s robing ceremony.  The bit about strength, wisdom, and fortitude is the Cleon’s at their most human.

…A Bit Later

The first clavager seems to be on board.  He brings a plan to Dude.

But when Dude returns to the garden, Demerzel awaits.  She explains Song’s strange gesture.  It’s from an ancient religion in Mycogen where they worship robots called the Inheritance.  The sect believes the robots will return and remove all cruelty, injustice, and misery from the world.

Demerzel sends Song back to Mycogen with her memory wiped.  She would have killed her but for Dude.  He doesn’t appreciate the gesture. Also, it’s worth considering whether Demerzel is lying or not.

I’m hoping that the first clavager and his daughter aren’t just collateral damage here.

This Mycogenian religion will play a huge role in the rest of the season, I bet.  That would explain the prominence of Song’s name in the title of episode one.

(Edit: Song could be a major player in what’s coming if Demerzel didn’t actually wipe her memory.)

Review:

Slightly stronger than the first two episodes. We’re hanging some meat on the bones of some of the plotlines already introduced, with some nice character moments.

Rating: 4 out of 5.

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Stars End S6E04

We discuss Foundation, S3E03, “When a Book Finds You.”

“When a Podcast Finds You.”

Now, you may find yourself grooving in a Kalgan rave.

Or, you may find yourself with an intuitive giraffe.

Or, you may find yourself in the stacks of a large imperial library.

Or, you may find yourself with a dubious prince, with a dubious beard.

So you may ask yourself, “Huh, how did I get here?”

It was the book. The book found you as it found us all. But what was the book?

Was it some needlepoint mathematics in a Toblerone box, or Foundation and Empire?

It could have been The Zen of Positronic Robots by Sunmaster 74, or even How to Subjugate the Galaxy On Less Than 30 Altairian Dollars a Day by Magnifico Giganticus!

It almost certainly wasn’t The Sensuous Dirty Old Man by Dr. A.

So join us! Come along for the ride as we discuss what we’re calling “Possibly the best episode of season three so far!” You’ll be glad you did!

Watching Foundation: “A Song for the End of Everything”

We’re at the start of a season, so here’s a quick reminder of how these work. While watching the episode, I write down my thoughts, impressions, connections, and theories — half-baked or otherwise. Then we record the podcast. Eventually, I will publish one of these. Usually, it’s pretty quick, but I still owe you one each from Seasons 1 and 2. Simultaneously published at Stars End: A Foundation Podcast.

Watching Foundation S3E01

“If you live long enough, time can be a weapon.”  All hail exponential growth.

It’s 152 years after Season 2.  The Foundation controls the entire outer reach.  I want a clearer idea of what that means.  Controlling the suburbs all the way around the galaxy doesn’t seem feasible in a century and a half.

But the way they’re talking about the Middle Band makes it sound that way. Three concentric circles all around the supermassive black hole.

Kalgan

And Kalgan is the lynch pin of the middle band.

We get a taste of what the visi-sonor sounds like.  It makes me glad that the books, as I was reading them, were silent.

Barely a couple of minutes in, and presumably, we meet the Mule.  Too abrupt.

“I have a very large appetite, one only a galaxy can satisfy.”  Too big, too fast.

Just get some soap, damnit.  Gross.

Planetary conquest in four minutes.  Horrifically violent.  This needed a build-up.

This sure seems like actual mind control rather than emotional pushing.

Also, I’m not buying this guy as the Mule.  Magnifico must be calling the shots from somewhere else.  Could it really be an Asimov story without the important action taking place off-screen?

And all that before the intro.

Skydance Television.  Now merged with Paramount.  I hope their business model includes spending lots of money on things just because they’re good. That’s not just for Foundation but for Star Trek, too.

Executive producer: Roxanne Dawson.  Awesome!

But crap.  That’s a really long list of executive producers.

Somewhere in Space

Hober Mallow’s deal with the Spacers had real long-term consequences. 

“After the Empire lost control of the Spacers during the Second Crisis, they’ve been forced to use jump gates to travel across the galaxy, slowing their sphere of influence and accelerating their decline.”

If they had to return to using obsolete tech that had been replaced by the Spacers, the Empire would be at a huge disadvantage.

I suppose if the Empire were slowed enough and spacer-travel were fast enough, the Foundation ringing the entire galaxy might make sense.

However, this provides us with three paradigms for FTL travel, whereas the source material had only one.  That’s too complicated.

And in season four, do we get the Infinite Improbability Drive or the Bloat Drive?  Or, God forbid, the drive that turned Paris and Janeway into rutting lizards?

There’s a Galactic Council now?  I don’t remember any hint of one.  The narration treats it as if it’s something that always existed.  Change a few words, and you have something that better indicates that the Cleons are waning in power and influence.

Now I’m wondering how Demerzel‘s Prime Radiant, or any of them really, updates itself.  There must be more data for the program to decide that the entire timeline is going to glitch like that.  So, how does that work?

“We proceed as planned.  There’s nothing else we can do.”  This nicely reminds me of the Bel Riose story in Foundation and Empire. All hail the forces of history.

The narration confirms that the Galactic Council has been around as long as the Empire.  And yet in 12,000(?) years of time and space, it never occurred to them to bring in a couple of chairs.

We get a picture of the galaxy with two splotches that may or may not be political units, but aren’t concentric circles.

But “resizing to a sustainable 6342 worlds” sounds a lot like restructuring to get out of bankruptcy.

And the Foundation is comparatively only about 800 worlds.  No way it encircles the entire galaxy.

I’m assuming this “when crops die, people die” claim is political posturing.  This Dawn is not the credulous kid of seasons one and two.  He seems to be a savvy political operator.  He talks about funding the Merchant Princes within the Foundation, and I decide that this is all a big mash-up of the end of the first book and lots of the second book, well stirred.

My gut tells me that the scale of using any number of planets to feed the galaxy is way off, especially with intragalactic travel slowed way down! With the possible exception of Trantor, if you don’t have agriculture, you starve.

“We hath brought for thee these bananas, Your Majesty!  Sorry, they turned black and icky!  Thou shalt therefore be presented with the glory of banana bread!“

Dawn is 10 days short of Daybreak.

Sometime later on Trantor

Dusk watches each of his predecessors get vaporized.  That’s a maudlin way to pass your rapidly diminishing lifespan.

The Mule is just barely on their radar.

Dawn and Dusk watch a previous brother Darkness try to escape his ascension.  Demerzel casually and efficiently shoves him into his demise.  “Most of us are as obedient as trash headed to the incinerator.“

New Terminus

We get a time lapse of the Foundation’s growth since settling on the new planet; it’s reminiscent of the similar sequence in season 1.

Professor Elbling Mis approaches the vault.  The land directly below the Vault looks scorched and smoldering.  This seems less harmless than the null field’s previous behavior.

Ebling has “nulled the null field,”  and the smoldering stops.  That gets a smile out of Vault Hari.  

Ebling tells Hari that he is descended from Xylas, the prosecutor from S1E01.  I suppose it’s nice to have an explanation for why they both look like Alexander Siddig.  Did you ever see Dragnet?  Every bartender looks like Bobby Troup.  Like they kept them all on a shelf.  So, not necessary but nice.  Now that I think about it, I would be fine with a different descendant in every season, a la Brent Spiner.

But he is thrilled to meet Hari.  “Seldon, man, myth, legend.”  “You have the myth at least,“ he is told.  “The man is elsewhere.”

Inside the vault, Ebling gawks and acts like a tourist.

We get an overview of Mayor Indbur. He’s reminiscent of Indbur III from the books.     

The Foundation, at this point, is indolent and flaccid.

Hari’s his usual charming self.  Ebling wants an explanation for why Hari gave a prime radiant to the Empire only to be unceremoniously ejected from the Vault.

And he didn’t even exclaim “ga-LAX-y!”

Haven

This is the Traders’ stronghold.  It’s tidally locked, so it always keeps one face toward the sun. The other side is in perpetual darkness.  Asimov calls these ribbon worlds.  The teevee show could have done a much better job of giving us that information. (I saw a website claim that these worlds don’t rotate. That’s nonsense. The planet’s year and its day have to sync up so the planet always keeps the same side to the sun, like our moon, where one side always faces the Earth.)

It seems the show is conflating two planets from Foundation and Empire.  These are Haven, the Trader world where Bayta and Toran settle, and Radole, the ribbon world where the Trader Assembly meets.

The Empire is dropping weapons for the traders on the Sunside.  In-universe, Sunside seems like a bad choice. Wouldn’t technology be more susceptible to melting than to freezing?  But then we couldn’t have the exciting chase scene where the four characters ride their big phallic symbols and try to stay within the moon’s shadow.  Nobody has to burst into flames if the chase happens on the dark side.

I’m guessing the male Foundationer is Han Pritcher since someone called him “Pritch.”

New Terminus

We see Mayor Indbur for the first time, and he seems to be wearing a Star Trek TNG (TM) communicator pin.

Trantor

Demerzel has invited one of the Luminist Zephyrs to Trantor to take her confession.  Her memory of the confession will be wiped afterwards. “ I know there are protocols, but I can be trusted with secrets.”  “Not this one.”

And the Zeroth Law! Giskard is mentioned, though not by name.

“So you imagine there was such a thing as the greater good?”  You would hope a religious leader would accept that as an axiom.  Also, the use of the past tense is somewhat disturbing. Demerzel just replies, “Isn’t there?”

Demerzel tells us that different factions of robots went to war with each other because they had different ideas about keeping humankind from harm. This has always been my head canon.

Eventually, Demerzel is reprogrammed to serve only Cleon.

And so we get to Demerzel’s crisis of faith.  The Prime Radiant shows her that the end of the Cleonic Dynasty is inevitable.  Who will she be if she outlives her programming?

Cut to a diplomatic dinner that includes the Foundation ambassador.  It’s confirmed that the Zephyr will remain on Trantor. Word of the fall of Kalgan reaches the Foundation ambassador.

It’s surprising that we haven’t seen Day yet, especially given that a lot of people tune into the show just to see Lee Pace.

When we see him, he’s communing with a camel and inventing Vogon poetry.

Jon is calling him Brother Dude, and there is no better alternative.

Dude has a consort with him, and she’s named “Song.”  Now I have to ponder the episode title. Dammit.  From Mycogen, and yet her pate is covered with hair. Also, there’s agriculture on Trantor.

Are they still just using yeast to make bread?  Or are the producers just dodging the question of how Trantor feeds itself?

Dusk needs Dude to come to the Palace.  “Six months is long enough for your drug dealer to live off our generosity.”

First time I’ve laughed during the episode: “You’re a sad clown of a clone.  And your problem is you think you’re the center of the galaxy.” 

The Imperial Palace

Dude refers to Demerzel as “It.”  She shows them the discontinuity from the Prime Radiant.  The Dynasty falls, and “the darkness there represents the end of civilization… perhaps even the extinction of your species.  Four months from now.”

And if that wasn’t a dramatic enough ending point, Gaal wakes up.  “The Mule is here and we’re out of time.”

Review:

This is a good, though not spectacular start. We seem to have reverted to the tone of Season 1. I preferred the somewhat more lighthearted Season 2.

Rating: 3.5 out of 5.

All Images from Foundation on Apple TV+.

Stars End S6E03

The featured image for S6E03 "Shadows in the Math."

In which we talk about Foundation S3E02, “Shadows in the Math.”

“Shadows in the Podcast”

Spoiler Alert! You know what to do!

The pieces are starting to fall into place!

S3E02 begins with a brief review of how the Second Foundation has evolved over the past 150 years! We see the Mule trying to consolidate power on Kalgan and get to meet Torin and Bayta! Meanwhile, the Cleons each seem to be going off the rails in their own, wildly diverging direction.

We talk about it. Do we make sense of it all? There are still a lot more questions than answers!

Plus, our first Laura Burn! Don’t miss it!

And don’t forget to join the conversation at ⁠r/StarsEndPodcast⁠ on Reddit!

Let’s GO!

Here’s the link to the Episode on Apple Podcasts: Shadows in the Podcast

Stars End S6E02

Kalganian ships firing on one another.

In which we discuss Apple TV+’s Foundation, S3E01, “A Song For The End of Everything.”

“A Podcast for the End of Everything”

Now we’re into the meat of our new, even-numbered season as we finally have a real teevee episode to talk about! As always, this way lies spoilers. If you care about such things, get thee to the platform! We’ll be here when you’re ready!

The premier is dense, and it’s a barn-burner! We welcome the return of friend of the podcast, Alexander Siddig! We recognize Brothers Dawn and Dusk, but we’re not sure what we should call the other guy. Is Demerzel having a mid-life crisis? Is that guy really the Mule? Where’s Bayta? What are these new games? And what is it with the name “Han,” anyway?

So we have questions! Do we have answers? Tune in and see! Let’s GO!

Stars End S6E01

We preview season 3 of Foundation on Apple TV+ and make some announcements!

“I Can Worm My Way Into People’s Podcasts.”

It’s an even-numbered season of the Stars End podcast! You know what that means! Our Second Interregnum has come to a close! The big news, of which you’re already, no doubt, aware, is the return of Foundation to Apple TV+! New episodes are officially set to appear in a mere 65 hours or so! We’re here and we’re ready! We’re going to watch ’em! We’re gonna talk about ’em! It’s why we came together as a podcast to begin with!

There’s still some of Season 5 in Post-Production. We’ll get that out in parallel with season 6!

And we had a question from a listener about whether we have a forum where those interested could find the three of us. Our Twitter account used to serve that purpose, but you know we’ve mostly evacuated from that cesspool. We’ve established a new beachhead on Reddit, and all three of us can now be found at r/StarsEndPodcast!

Here are the “official teaser” that came out a few weeks ago,

…and the official trailer!

Stars End S5E21

In this episode, we continue to drift along The Currents of Space, floating into chapters 7 through 12. This almost coincides with the second installment in Astounding Science Fiction for November 1952 (Chapter 7 was published in October).

The Cover of the Signet paperback edition of "The Currents of Space" by Isaac Asimov.  The cover illustration shows Rik and Velona rushing across the spaceport.

“Ninety-Five Percent of the Universe is Hydrogen, and Most of the Rest is Podcasts.”

This is the middle section of Asimov’s middle Galactic Empire Novel (in-universe chronologically, that is). The middle layer of a current is called the laminar flow. It flows somewhat faster than the currents near the water’s surface or the riverbed. We’ll leave it to you to decide if this part of the novel flows better or more quickly than the rest of the book.

A lot is going on. Rik is regaining his memories and remembering the world of Spacioanalytics, the Five Great Squires are being blackmailed, Rik and Velona escape into space only to be forced into a room to discuss things with Lady Samia of Fife in classic Asimovian style and the Townsman embarks on a spree of killing and craziness that paradoxically culminates in his being stuck on a ship that he can’t pilot.

Check out the chapters, then join us for the conversation! Let’s GO!

Picture Credits:

Stars End S5E20

We start Asimov’s third (or second) Galactic Empire Novel, The Currents of Space, by discussing chapters 1 through 6. This nearly corresponds to the first installment published in the October 1952 issue of Astounding Science Fiction which covered 1 through 7.

“I remember my Podcast. I had a Podcast!”

A friend tells me that our episodes are better when we’re enjoying the stuff that we’re reading.

We certainly enjoy reading The Stars End Mail Bag! This time when we opened it up, it inspired a short conversation about My Living Doll starring Julie Newmar and Bob Something-Or-Other.

And we’re liking The Currents of Space so far! It hits the ground running with a threat of planetary destruction and a hero in the mists of amnesia! This is the Good Doctor’s take on race relations in the American South making it a nice companion to The Caves of Steel which tackled the issue in our northern cities. This gave us a lot to think about!

Like, what year was this written? It looks like the answer is actually 1952 and not 1951 like I, Joseph, thought.

We see parallels to three (count ‘em! 3!) Star Trek episodes! But which ones? Not “The Omega Glory,” I’ll tell you that much.

Is Ol’ Isaac reading comic books on the side?

And how does this compare to the other Galactic Empire Novels?

Plus, another round of “Where’s Daneel?“ Have we figured that out yet?

And more! You’ll have to listen to find out!